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T O P I C R E V I E WymmiHow indicate your Natal chart or signs ,aspects if your spouse, g/b friend are sarcastic ,mock,insulting, rude etc????ThanksAries23DegreesI know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.I knew a Sag female/Leo male who really really really liked each other. But played off like they couldn't stand each other. And they would do this.It happens with countless other Sag-Leo matings in my experience too.I am Sag and the only sign I seem to like to mock or be sarcastic with is Aqua or Gemini. It gets really wickedly violent between us because they catch on so quick.With Leo I feel like the long silent treatments I get as "punishment" are too much to bear. Sometimes I find I may go too far and say the wrong thing in a silly banter then I am iced out With Aries, I'll get knocked the f***out. Lol So I amuse myself with Aqua and Gem who both know its never personal. Its just fun.Placements: Sag Sun,Moon,Merc,MarsSun in Gem,Merc,Moon or MarsSun in Aqua,Merc,Moon or Mars.The sarcastic aspect is Saturn/Mercury or Saturn/Moon. Whilst the insults are from Mercury/Uranus, Mercury/Mars.ymmi quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.I knew a Sag female/Leo male who really really really liked each other. But played off like they couldn't stand each other. And they would do this.It happens with countless other Sag-Leo matings in my experience too.I am Sag and the only sign I seem to like to mock or be sarcastic with is Aqua or Gemini. It gets really wickedly violent between us because they catch on so quick.With Leo I feel like the long silent treatments I get as "punishment" are too much to bear. Sometimes I find I may go too far and say the wrong thing in a silly banter then I am iced out With Aries, I'll get knocked the f***out. Lol So I amuse myself with Aqua and Gem who both know its never personal. Its just fun.Placements: Sag Sun,Moon,Merc,MarsSun in Gem,Merc,Moon or MarsSun in Aqua,Merc,Moon or Mars.The sarcastic aspect is Saturn/Mercury or Saturn/Moon. Whilst the insults are from Mercury/Uranus, Mercury/Mars.Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts about it.I have told by someone that my future spouse will be sarcastic character man and its make really sense bcz I already in relationship with that kind of man who is too rude too sarcastic but I still didn't find in my Natal chart that which Placements or aspects describe that! Aries23DegreesVenus square Mars.Mars rules the 7th house.Saturn opposes the 7th.Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy".ymmi quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Venus square Mars.Mars rules the 7th house.Saturn opposes the 7th.Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy". Hmmmm,thanks to help me to figure out .Oh I hate when he sarcastic or mocking lol he often do like that when he get angry and he is most angry/quarrel when I refused about sex then he become so rude and insulting he is so bossy 😃 ,sex is everything for him sex come first then love/marriage.And you said about Venus square Mars maybe that's why I still couldn't leave him even he is so fiery, aggressive, stubborn,rude,sarcastic😞.Dumuzi quote:Originally posted by ymmi: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:[b]Venus square Mars.Mars rules the 7th house.Saturn opposes the 7th.Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy". Hmmmm,thanks to help me to figure out .Oh I hate when he sarcastic or mocking lol he often do like that when he get angry and he is most angry/quarrel when I refused about sex then he become so rude and insulting he is so bossy 😃 ,sex is everything for him sex come first then love/marriage.And you said about Venus square Mars maybe that's why I still couldn't leave him even he is so fiery, aggressive, stubborn,rude,sarcastic😞.[/B][/QUOTE]i have a mars venus/square too (cap mars, libra venus but im also a virgo/libra ascendant like you) and my fiancee and i "break up" often then get back together by the end of the fight and have for 14 years (longest break up was 2 weeks and that was weird we were still living together and having sex etc) the flipside of the volatile emotions is that we still have sex near daily, and it's like being magnetized to each otheractually yesterday is a pretty perfect examplewe had been fighting for 2 days and then spent nearly all of yesterday all over each other having sex and now today we're coolher and i have the same moon though (aries) so i think that makes it a little easierswitch to sidereal and read for the nakshatra jupiter falls in (since your new 7th house would be pisces, and jupiter is the ruler of pisces in that system) and that will tell you more about your spouseall that being said i come off extremely sarcastic by accident often, not sure what does itpeople just expect me to be kind of a jerk i think is what it is, and i can be, but not in most circumstances MelinnI can be this way. I'm super sarcastic.But mock and insulting happens only when I'm super passive aggressive or angry in general and that happens only with family. Snarky nasty remarks, friends can be targets for, if I'm irritated with them or if I feel like they have hurt me and I can't talk about it and the s''t has seethed for a time, somethings gotta give, and having Mars in gemini, my tongue can turn into a sword in those scenarious.. I'm not proud at all! (My gemini Mars is opposite Saturn for ex)But this does not happen that often anymore. I'm much better att voicing my concernes openly thise days.In my case and also what I have seen in friends and family, prominent saturn aspects to especially Mars.Aries MarsOr, Mars aspects to luminaries.Gemini placemens, very good at snarky and sarcastic remarks. Scorpio too.I have pluto oppo mercury for ex, very good at reading and finding peoples weak spots and hit those in arguments.Soo in short Gemini, Aries, Saturn, Mars Scopio and Pluto.I would especially look at the mercury and its aspects. I friend of mine who has mercury saturn square can be really harsh. He also has aries mars-moon. He does not try to be mean or anything. And he will afterwards feel bad and apologize etc. But he looves pushing ma buttons! Typical aries. Anyways we have had a weird dynamic in the past bc of both our sarcastic and forward nature.. its all good nowElectro DGX quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.I knew a Sag female/Leo male who really really really liked each other. But played off like they couldn't stand each other. And they would do this.It happens with countless other Sag-Leo matings in my experience too.I am Sag and the only sign I seem to like to mock or be sarcastic with is Aqua or Gemini. It gets really wickedly violent between us because they catch on so quick.With Leo I feel like the long silent treatments I get as "punishment" are too much to bear. Sometimes I find I may go too far and say the wrong thing in a silly banter then I am iced out With Aries, I'll get knocked the f***out. Lol So I amuse myself with Aqua and Gem who both know its never personal. Its just fun.Placements: Sag Sun,Moon,Merc,MarsSun in Gem,Merc,Moon or MarsSun in Aqua,Merc,Moon or Mars.The sarcastic aspect is Saturn/Mercury or Saturn/Moon. Whilst the insults are from Mercury/Uranus, Mercury/Mars.Funny as an Aqua Sun/Merc I don't enjoy that kind of relationship at all lol, not even as friends. I don't mind being given **** every now and then but I have to know it's just playing around. If it happens constantly I will start to get ****** off; might be my Scorpio energy at play. Though when I do get ****** off I can be a huge ***** ; I get super sarcastic/sassy and get personal. hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.I have sag rising trine venus/mars in leo and trine my partner's venus in leo which conjuncts my venus/mars in leo. I mock him and joke around a lot with him and he does too with me but I do it more probably bc of the sag influence trine my venus/mars in leo, its awesome and we never ice each other out or do silent treatments, I feel this is a big reason why we have lasted, that we are able to joke around like that and not give each other the silent treatment. I love it when he makes fun of me, its hilarious bc he is right on hahaha capricorncherisctyTypically a Leo thing or an agitated Sun. Or both.hypatia238I think is a fire thing, My aries friend from childhood would love to troll my gemini friend, my leo friend would be playful too like that, and I get that humor bc I have sag rising and venus and mars in leo but If I dont know you like that I will think is inappropriate and you are just been a B*tch. It depends who is doing it too hearttreasureI believe its Venus-Mars square aspect. I have it and it's tight. I attract those man too.Melinn quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: I have sag rising trine venus/mars in leo and trine my partner's venus in leo which conjuncts my venus/mars in leo. I mock him and joke around a lot with him and he does too with me but I do it more probably bc of the sag influence trine my venus/mars in leo, its awesome and we never ice each other out or do silent treatments, I feel this is a big reason why we have lasted, that we are able to joke around like that and not give each other the silent treatment. I love it when he makes fun of me, its hilarious bc he is right on hahaha I have this dynamic with many of my fire dominant friends.And the guy I talked about, our dynamic is exactly as you describe it I always make fun of myself, so I think its refreshing when friends teases me (lovingly) He will make fun of me and tease me. He says he really likes teasing me and getting reactions out of me. Its a dynamic I know well and like. I grew up with a mars aris brother so thats how we interact also^^.Only this friend did go too far a few times, and I reacted by saying it out loud. I was very hurt and distressed. I think he took out his stress on me.Anyways he apologized by his own and now he knows how far he can go and where to stop. If he starts to push the line I tell him right away "ok you are being pushy now, calm down".I did not communicate this straight away in the past. Communication is key! (No sh..t )And same here, never icing. Neither him and I has ever iced. I do it (or did) it to only guys I had feelings for^^.-------------------------------------------------------That conflict we had and the resolution really made us came closer and he really understands me in so many levels now. And we talk things out before it gets out of hand.I have aries stellium and sagg stellium (but only outer planets in sagg). Gemini stellium. Scorp. Strong Mars and Saturn. Earth.He has the same sagg stellium with outer planets and aries placements. Strong saturn and maybe pluto. Earth too.My Leo sun, aries moon friend does tease and poke fun at me too. But he is never pushy, he has too much libra/ 7th house energy. He is so loveable haha. But I'm extra sensetive towards his remarks, having feels and all for him really makes me feel hurt very easily by him...hypatia238I told my partner yesterday "I love joking around and I joke with you a lot, please do tell me if you feel I am ever mean, I want you to tell me." He said that I was fine, I think he likes that I joke with him.Melinn quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:I told my partner yesterday "I love joking around and I joke with you a lot, please do tell me if you feel I am ever mean, I want you to tell me." He said that I was fine, I think he likes that I joke with him.Yes right? Its just a way of showing affection! <3 <3 <3 And its all about, knowing the limits. Yes sometimes one can go to far in the heat of it. But as long as someone does know when this has happened, and can cut it back, or apologize and show one is aware of the limits its all good imo and experience as well!My brother is not good at this, he can go too far and he can turn into a bully for real! He is affectionat and does not try to be mean but yeah he has not a good sense of when he hurts us (my mother, me his wife etc). He will laugh it off an won't understand when we get hurt or offended! Sometimes when I explain it carefully like you would explain a child, he will get it, but he will often get defensive about it all... Anyways I know my limits and I can "feel the room" or the persons vibes for sure and adjust hahaAnd you do too Hypatia with your partner! Thats great! <3
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I knew a Sag female/Leo male who really really really liked each other. But played off like they couldn't stand each other. And they would do this.
It happens with countless other Sag-Leo matings in my experience too.
I am Sag and the only sign I seem to like to mock or be sarcastic with is Aqua or Gemini. It gets really wickedly violent between us because they catch on so quick.
With Leo I feel like the long silent treatments I get as "punishment" are too much to bear. Sometimes I find I may go too far and say the wrong thing in a silly banter then I am iced out
With Aries, I'll get knocked the f***out. Lol So I amuse myself with Aqua and Gem who both know its never personal. Its just fun.
Placements: Sag Sun,Moon,Merc,MarsSun in Gem,Merc,Moon or MarsSun in Aqua,Merc,Moon or Mars.
The sarcastic aspect is Saturn/Mercury or Saturn/Moon. Whilst the insults are from Mercury/Uranus, Mercury/Mars.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.I knew a Sag female/Leo male who really really really liked each other. But played off like they couldn't stand each other. And they would do this.It happens with countless other Sag-Leo matings in my experience too.I am Sag and the only sign I seem to like to mock or be sarcastic with is Aqua or Gemini. It gets really wickedly violent between us because they catch on so quick.With Leo I feel like the long silent treatments I get as "punishment" are too much to bear. Sometimes I find I may go too far and say the wrong thing in a silly banter then I am iced out With Aries, I'll get knocked the f***out. Lol So I amuse myself with Aqua and Gem who both know its never personal. Its just fun.Placements: Sag Sun,Moon,Merc,MarsSun in Gem,Merc,Moon or MarsSun in Aqua,Merc,Moon or Mars.The sarcastic aspect is Saturn/Mercury or Saturn/Moon. Whilst the insults are from Mercury/Uranus, Mercury/Mars.
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts about it.
I have told by someone that my future spouse will be sarcastic character man and its make really sense bcz I already in relationship with that kind of man who is too rude too sarcastic but I still didn't find in my Natal chart that which Placements or aspects describe that!
Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".
Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.
Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.
So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy".
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Venus square Mars.Mars rules the 7th house.Saturn opposes the 7th.Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy".
Oh I hate when he sarcastic or mocking lol he often do like that when he get angry and he is most angry/quarrel when I refused about sex then he become so rude and insulting he is so bossy 😃 ,sex is everything for him sex come first then love/marriage.
And you said about Venus square Mars maybe that's why I still couldn't leave him even he is so fiery, aggressive, stubborn,rude,sarcastic😞.
quote:Originally posted by ymmi: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:[b]Venus square Mars.Mars rules the 7th house.Saturn opposes the 7th.Mars ruling the 7th often produces partners who are "straight shooters". And that could be interpreted as "rude".Saturn opposes the 7th attracts one to partners who have a dry sense of humour and may even be sarcastic.Venus square Mars suggests that there is likely banter between the mate and yourself. Or you enjoy the quarrels as it increases the attraction.So you may find their tendency to be sarcastic or mocking " sexy".
And you said about Venus square Mars maybe that's why I still couldn't leave him even he is so fiery, aggressive, stubborn,rude,sarcastic😞.[/B][/QUOTE]
i have a mars venus/square too (cap mars, libra venus but im also a virgo/libra ascendant like you) and my fiancee and i "break up" often then get back together by the end of the fight and have for 14 years (longest break up was 2 weeks and that was weird we were still living together and having sex etc)
the flipside of the volatile emotions is that we still have sex near daily, and it's like being magnetized to each other
actually yesterday is a pretty perfect example
we had been fighting for 2 days and then spent nearly all of yesterday all over each other having sex and now today we're cool
her and i have the same moon though (aries) so i think that makes it a little easier
switch to sidereal and read for the nakshatra jupiter falls in (since your new 7th house would be pisces, and jupiter is the ruler of pisces in that system) and that will tell you more about your spouse
all that being said i come off extremely sarcastic by accident often, not sure what does it
people just expect me to be kind of a jerk i think is what it is, and i can be, but not in most circumstances
Snarky nasty remarks, friends can be targets for, if I'm irritated with them or if I feel like they have hurt me and I can't talk about it and the s''t has seethed for a time, somethings gotta give, and having Mars in gemini, my tongue can turn into a sword in those scenarious.. I'm not proud at all!
(My gemini Mars is opposite Saturn for ex)
But this does not happen that often anymore. I'm much better att voicing my concernes openly thise days.
In my case and also what I have seen in friends and family, prominent saturn aspects to especially Mars.Aries Mars
Or, Mars aspects to luminaries.
Gemini placemens, very good at snarky and sarcastic remarks. Scorpio too.
I have pluto oppo mercury for ex, very good at reading and finding peoples weak spots and hit those in arguments.
Soo in short Gemini, Aries, Saturn, Mars Scopio and Pluto.
I would especially look at the mercury and its aspects. I friend of mine who has mercury saturn square can be really harsh. He also has aries mars-moon. He does not try to be mean or anything. And he will afterwards feel bad and apologize etc. But he looves pushing ma buttons! Typical aries. Anyways we have had a weird dynamic in the past bc of both our sarcastic and forward nature.. its all good now
Funny as an Aqua Sun/Merc I don't enjoy that kind of relationship at all lol, not even as friends. I don't mind being given **** every now and then but I have to know it's just playing around. If it happens constantly I will start to get ****** off; might be my Scorpio energy at play.
Though when I do get ****** off I can be a huge ***** ; I get super sarcastic/sassy and get personal.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I know that the typical Sag-Leo relationship (friendship or otherwise) has mock,sarcastic, insulting back-forth dialogue to it.
I have sag rising trine venus/mars in leo and trine my partner's venus in leo which conjuncts my venus/mars in leo. I mock him and joke around a lot with him and he does too with me but I do it more probably bc of the sag influence trine my venus/mars in leo, its awesome and we never ice each other out or do silent treatments, I feel this is a big reason why we have lasted, that we are able to joke around like that and not give each other the silent treatment. I love it when he makes fun of me, its hilarious bc he is right on hahaha
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238: I have sag rising trine venus/mars in leo and trine my partner's venus in leo which conjuncts my venus/mars in leo. I mock him and joke around a lot with him and he does too with me but I do it more probably bc of the sag influence trine my venus/mars in leo, its awesome and we never ice each other out or do silent treatments, I feel this is a big reason why we have lasted, that we are able to joke around like that and not give each other the silent treatment. I love it when he makes fun of me, its hilarious bc he is right on hahaha
I have this dynamic with many of my fire dominant friends.And the guy I talked about, our dynamic is exactly as you describe it
I always make fun of myself, so I think its refreshing when friends teases me (lovingly)
He will make fun of me and tease me. He says he really likes teasing me and getting reactions out of me. Its a dynamic I know well and like. I grew up with a mars aris brother so thats how we interact also^^.
Only this friend did go too far a few times, and I reacted by saying it out loud. I was very hurt and distressed. I think he took out his stress on me.
Anyways he apologized by his own and now he knows how far he can go and where to stop. If he starts to push the line I tell him right away "ok you are being pushy now, calm down".I did not communicate this straight away in the past. Communication is key! (No sh..t )
And same here, never icing. Neither him and I has ever iced. I do it (or did) it to only guys I had feelings for^^.-------------------------------------------------------
That conflict we had and the resolution really made us came closer and he really understands me in so many levels now. And we talk things out before it gets out of hand.
I have aries stellium and sagg stellium (but only outer planets in sagg). Gemini stellium. Scorp. Strong Mars and Saturn. Earth.
He has the same sagg stellium with outer planets and aries placements. Strong saturn and maybe pluto. Earth too.
My Leo sun, aries moon friend does tease and poke fun at me too. But he is never pushy, he has too much libra/ 7th house energy. He is so loveable haha. But I'm extra sensetive towards his remarks, having feels and all for him really makes me feel hurt very easily by him...
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:I told my partner yesterday "I love joking around and I joke with you a lot, please do tell me if you feel I am ever mean, I want you to tell me." He said that I was fine, I think he likes that I joke with him.
Yes right? Its just a way of showing affection! <3 <3 <3
And its all about, knowing the limits. Yes sometimes one can go to far in the heat of it. But as long as someone does know when this has happened, and can cut it back, or apologize and show one is aware of the limits its all good imo and experience as well!
My brother is not good at this, he can go too far and he can turn into a bully for real! He is affectionat and does not try to be mean but yeah he has not a good sense of when he hurts us (my mother, me his wife etc). He will laugh it off an won't understand when we get hurt or offended!
Sometimes when I explain it carefully like you would explain a child, he will get it, but he will often get defensive about it all...
Anyways I know my limits and I can "feel the room" or the persons vibes for sure and adjust haha
And you do too Hypatia with your partner! Thats great! <3
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